Number of days

[TheRationalizer]

I haven't insisted anything, I have just asked a question (repeatedly, without answer.)

How many days are there in 1,000 years? Why do you refuse to answer?

Because you are taking the verse out of context. This verse says that angels travel in one day the same distance the moon covers in 1000 lunar years.

Note you said "in 1000 lunar years" - how many days are there in 1000 lunar years?

[Raef Fanous]

I haven't insisted anything, I have just asked a question (repeatedly, without answer.)

How many days are there in 1,000 years? Why do you refuse to answer?

Because you are taking the verse out of context. This verse says that angels travel in one day the same distance the moon covers in 1000 lunar years.

Note you said "in 1000 lunar years" - how many days are there in 1000 lunar years?

I know exactly what I said but you are taking it out of context. Angels travel in one day the same distance the moon travels in 1000 lunar years, that is, 12000 lunar orbits. This is time vs distance; not time vs time.

Speed = distance/time = 12000 lunar orbits/Earth day. However this speed depends on the frame of reference, that is, you could define a million different frames and get a million different results. But if you want to compare it with the speed of light in local inertial frames then you need to make the comparison in a local inertial frame. So sooner or later you will need to define your frame of reference.

[TheRationalizer]

"Angels travel in one day the same distance the moon travels in 1000 lunar years"

And how many days are there in 1000 lunar years?

[TheRationalizer]

If you are going to use a phrase such as "1000 lunar years" then you have to define it.

So I repeat my question. How many days are there in 1000 lunar years?

[Raef Fanous]

If you are going to use a phrase such as "1000 lunar years" then you have to define it.

So I repeat my question. How many days are there in 1000 lunar years?

Since "Yaruj" describes angels taking steps then the measure of these steps is called distance. The distance traveled by angels in 1000 lunar years is 12000 lunar orbits. To measure those 12000 lunar orbits you need to define your frame of reference. And after you define your frame (inertial or not) you get a value in km, miles, feet... not in days, hours or seconds as you claim. But you seem desperate to take the verse out of context.

[TheRationalizer]

The verse says "1000 years". This needs to be quantified. I would have used either 1000 sidereal years or 1000 years of an Islamic calender, however you claim this is "12000 lunar months" because that is the meaning of the words "of what you count."

One can convert either 1000 Islamic or Sidereal years into days, or even seconds because we can define the length of a single Islamic year and a single sidereal year in either unit of measurement (days / seconds.)

So, I repeat my question. How many days are there in 1000 years or "12000 lunar months"?

[Raef Fanous]

The verse says "1000 years". This needs to be quantified. I would have used either 1000 sidereal years or 1000 years of an Islamic calender, however you claim this is "12000 lunar months" because that is the meaning of the words "of what you count."

One can convert either 1000 Islamic or Sidereal years into days, or even seconds because we can define the length of a single Islamic year and a single sidereal year in either unit of measurement (days / seconds.)

So, I repeat my question. How many days are there in 1000 years or "12000 lunar months"?

Synodic or sidereal? Well you can get the full answer in the frame of reference section: http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_12000.htm

Here is just an abstract: The synodic system is a local frame non-rotating with respect to sun however this frame is rotating with respect to stars.

In rotating frames with respect to stars light DOES NOT travel in a straight line. The synodic system is a local frame however it is rotating with respect to stars which means that this frame is non-inertial; and the speed of light in this particular frame is undefined (the distance travelled in one hour gives a different speed than distance traveled in two hours...). You and your ignorant friends are claiming that the speed of light in this non-inertial frame is 299792.458 km/sec.

And every time we remind you of Einstein's second postulate of Special Relativity you laugh and mock: "The velocity c of light in vacuum is the same in all inertial frames of reference in all directions and depend neither on the velocity of the source nor on the velocity of the observer". Well can I ask you what are you laughing about?

[TheRationalizer]

No, that is an explanation as to what you are going to do with the number you get when you evaluate the expression "12000 lunar years"

I want you to *quantify* the expression. If you cannot even quantify a quantitative expression in your initial claim then your entire argument is worthless.

So tell me, please quantify how many days are there in 12000 lunar years.

[TheRationalizer]

I'll tell you what. Seeing as you are cautious to answer the question because (I presume) you know it exposes a flaw in your claim, let me do it for you.

At one point in the calculation you multiply 12000 months by 655.71986 (number of hours in a month.) To work out how many days there are in 1000 years all you need to do is to divide 655.71986 (hours) by 24 (hours in a day) to give the number of days in a month - then multiply the result by 12000 months and you have your answer.

655.71986 (hours in a month) / 24 (hours in a day) = 27.321661 days
Now if we multiply 27.321661 (days in a month) by 12 (months in a year) we get 327.85993 days.

Which calendar is it exactly that has 327.85993 days as a year?
It's not an Islamic year which has 354 days, and it's not a sidereal year which has 365.256 days.

So, which definition of "1 year" is it exactly that has 327.85993 days in it?

[Raef Fanous]

I'll tell you what...

No you will not tell us anything. All your accusations to us that we are slowing down the moon, and removing the relativistic time dilation of the sun... are utter lies. What we are actually doing is calculating it when the geocentric frame is inertial.

The month for the Arabs was 29.5 Earth days which means they used the synodic system. The synodic system is a local frame non-rotating with respect to sun; however this frame is rotating with respect to stars (non-inertial frame), and the measured speed of light in their frame is undefined. On the other hand 299792.458 km/sec is the measured speed of light in local inertial frames. These are different frames. To overcome this discrepancy in frames we are calculating 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day when it is inertial and then comparing it with 299792.458 km/sec. The difference in a local inertial frame is 0.01%.