Chapter 41 Verse 11

[BleroX]

Assalamu Alaykum.

041.011 Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

Ok We know the universe was as smoke and we know it "spoke".
But I don't understand why the Earth is mentionned here, it did not exist when the universe was as smoke.

Help me understand. Thank you.

[Raef Fanous]

[Quran 41.9-12] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds." 10 He set on it (Earth) mountains, and bestowed it with blessings. And [Allah] estimated all its sustenance in four days, equally for those who ask (prayers) 11 AFTER THIS (Thumma in Arabic) [Allah] commanded the heaven and it was still smoke. He said to it and to Earth: "Come together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come together, in willing obedience". 12 So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

God ordered the Heavens and the Earth to come together willingly or unwillingly because they were not together at that time. See, there was no Earth in the first 4 days (first 9 bln years out of 13.5 bln years). The basic elements of Earth today are atoms of Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, zinc, Iron... but these atoms were actually "cooked" inside stars before they formed Earth. They were cooked inside stars then those stars exploded and dumped the material into free space. This free floating material aggregated together and formed Earth. Earth has been in existence for 2 days out of 6 (4.5 bln years out of 13.5 bln years).

The same thing happened in the other 6 superimposed heavens. They are made of what scientists call "Dark Matter". They also underwent certain processes (that we do not yet understand) in the first 4 days and they have been in the form of planets and galaxies (of dark matter) for 2 days out of 6.

[BleroX]

Thank you for your help.
But there's still something i would like to ask you: You say that Heavens and the Earth were not together at that time. What do yo mean ? Are they together now ?

[Raef Fanous]

No, it means that Earth came together by gravity from free floating material and the heavens came together by gravity also from free floating material. The seven superimposed heavens formed by gravity just like Earth.

[BleroX]

Ah ... I'm getting it better.
So in fact Allah called them to take shape.
That's it ?

[Raef Fanous]

Yes.

[A Thousand Suns]

Assalamu Alaykum.

041.011 Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

Ok We know the universe was as smoke and we know it "spoke".
But I don't understand why the Earth is mentionned here, it did not exist when the universe was as smoke.

Help me understand. Thank you.

The Quranic word Dokhan (smoke) is more accurate than cosmic dust

Dr. Loretta Dunne from Cardiff University, who led A team of UK astronomers says: "Cosmic dust consists of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. It is not the same as house dust but more akin to cigarette smoke."



Quran says that the universe was created from a gaseous mass with fine particles, the elements of which were initially soldered to form one unit

Spitzer space telescope : Spitzer Cosmic Far-IR Background Project, 2007 showed that Supernovae Generated the universe's early dust. As early as 700 million years after the Big Bang, galaxies were already filled with cosmic dust (Bykov, A. M et. al, 2005). Astronomers studied nearby supernovae SN 2003gd using the Spitzer space telescope, and found that it had produced tremendous amounts of dust. Since there were many supernovae in the early Universe, they could be the source of all this dust. These new observations show that supernovae can make a major contribution to enriching the dust content of the universe (Ben E. K. Sugerman, 2006)

Cosmic Rosetta Stone (Volker Bromm, 2008): How gas and dust came together in the early universe to form the first stars? Researchers believe that soon after big bang, matter began to form as small dust grains and gases. How the first stars formed? The computer simulation designed by Dr. Yoshida et al. (2008) and Takaya Nozawa et al. (2003) demonstrate how gas and dust came together in the early universe to form the first stars after the Big Bang Thus, they concluded that if the very massive stars populate the first generation stars, a large amount of dust grains would be produced in the early universe.


source:Dust and gas in the early universe

[TheRationalizer]

See, there was no Earth in the first 4 days (first 9 bln years out of 13.5 bln years)....Earth has been in existence for 2 days out of 6 (4.5 bln years out of 13.5 bln years).

by = billion years

Quran 41:9 - Earth created in 2 days
13.7by * 2/6 = 4.56....by so approximately the correct amount.

So let's look at the verse in context...

09: Say thou: are ye indeed those who disbelieve in Him who hath created the earth in two days, and set up Unto Him peers? That is the Lord of the worlds.
10: And He placed therein mountains firmly rooted rising above it, and blessed it, and ordained therein the sustenance thereof, all this in four days: comglete: this for the inquirers.
11: Thereafter turned He to the heaven and it was as smoke, and said Unto it and Unto the earth: come ye twain, willingly or loth. They said: we come willingly.
12: Then He decreed them as seven heavens in two days, and revealed Unto each heaven the command thereof; and We bedecked the nether heaven with lamps and placed therein a guard. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.

So what does the Quran say?

1: The Earth was created in 2 days (4.5by) - Accurate
2: God placed mountains in the Earth and blessed it in 4 days (9by) - That's longer than the Earth has existed!
3: The rest of the universe was still merely dust AFTER the Earth was created - that's wrong. Stars existed for billions of years before the Earth.
4: Next he made stars - again that's wrong because stars formed before planets - especially the Earth.

So my conclusions are
1: The chronology of the Quran is utterly wrong.
2: Your hypothesis that 1 "day" is 2.28by is wrong according to verse 41:10 in the Quran.

[SpeeofLight]

The age of the universe was found to be about (10 – 15) billion years and the age of the earth crust and atmosphere was found to be about(4 - 4.6) billion years. So, the age of earth and moon separation as parts of our galaxy should be about 8.4 billion years, at which the mechanics of the earth-moon-sun system was really started...

[TheRationalizer]

The age of the universe was found to be about (10 – 15) billion years and the age of the earth crust and atmosphere was found to be about(4 - 4.6) billion years. So, the age of earth and moon separation as parts of our galaxy should be about 8.4 billion years, at which the mechanics of the earth-moon-sun system was really started...

Delusion: The ability to invent utter bullshit than then instantly believe every word of it.